Legislature(1995 - 1996)

02/19/1996 01:30 PM Senate JUD

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                   SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE                                  
                       February 19, 1996                                       
                           1:30 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
  MEMBERS PRESENT                                                              
                                                                               
 Senator Robin Taylor, Chairman                                                
 Senator Lyda Green, Vice-Chairman                                             
 Senator Mike Miller                                                           
 Senator Al Adams                                                              
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                          
                                                                               
  MEMBERS ABSENT                                                               
                                                                               
 None                                                                          
                                                                               
  COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                           
                                                                               
 CS FOR HOUSE BILL NO. 158(FIN) am(ct rls pfld)(efd fld)                       
 "An Act relating to civil actions; amending Alaska Rule of Civil              
 Procedure 95."                                                                
                                                                               
  PREVIOUS SENATE COMMITTEE ACTION                                             
                                                                               
  HB 158 - See Judiciary minutes dated 5/3/95, 8/21/95,                        
          8/23/95, 8/24/95, 8/25/95, and 2/9/96.                               
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 John Suddock                                                                  
 Alaska Trial Lawyers Association                                              
 500 L St.                                                                     
 Anchorage, AK  99501                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Opposes HB 158, supports amendments                     
                                                                               
 Chrystal Smith                                                                
 Department of Law                                                             
 P.O. Box 110300                                                               
 Juneau, AK  99811-0300                                                        
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions on HB 158                            
                                                                               
 Mike Lessmeier                                                                
 State Farm Insurance Co.                                                      
 One Sealaska Plaza, #303                                                      
 Juneau, AK  99801                                                             
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Supports HB 158                                         
                                                                               
 Dr. David Johnson                                                             
 Alaska State Medical Assn.                                                    
 Ketchikan Medical Clinic                                                      
 Ketchikan, AK  99901                                                          
  POSITION STATEMENT:   Commented on HB 158                                    
                                                                               
 Pam LaBolle                                                                   
 Alaska State Chamber of Commerce                                              
 217 Second St. #201                                                           
 Juneau, Alaska  99801                                                         
  POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered questions on HB 158                            
                                                                               
  ACTION NARRATIVE                                                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 96-10, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN ROBIN TAYLOR  called the Judiciary Committee meeting to             
 order at 1:36 p.m.  All members were present.  The committee took             
 up CSHB 158(FIN)am (ct rls pfld)(efd fld) and pending amendments.             
                    HB 158 CIVIL LIABILITY                                   
                                                                               
 JOHN SUDDOCK, representing the Alaska Trial Lawyers Association,              
 repeated his opposition to HB 158 and stated each proposed                    
 amendment statistically increases the likelihood that an injured              
 person will not be made whole.  The Alaska Trial Lawyers                      
 Association believes the bill should be defeated in its entirety              
 but recognizing that might not occur, suggests the following. If              
 the rights of injured Alaskans are being diminished to benefit                
 commercial interests, the rate rollback amendment should be                   
 enacted, as other states have done, to provide some balance.  The             
 rate rollback amendment is well drafted because at any time during            
 the next four years the industry can file the 10 percent rate                 
 decrease to activate the legislation.  He counseled against                   
 accepting the insurance industry's reassurance that it will reduce            
 rates after the bill passes.                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. SUDDOCK supported the mandatory arbitration amendment for the             
 following reason.  Approximately 80 to 90 percent of injury and               
 property damage claims are under $100,000.  The amendment would               
 establish a mechanism where those claims, at an early date, after             
 minimal expenditure by the parties, can have an expedited hearing             
 before an arbitrator and be settled.  The State of Washington has             
 used a similar system for the past ten years and it works well.               
 There is a perfunctory amount of discovery, and most hearings take            
 one day.  If either side is not satisfied with the arbitrator's               
 award, a trial can occur.  The penalty associated with going to               
 trial is that if the party moving for trial does not improve                  
 his/her position over the arbitrator's decision, that party pays              
 the defendant's attorney fees.  He believed that sanction to be               
 appropriate.                                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 121                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. SUDDOCK discussed his reasons for opposing the offer of                   
 judgment provision which impose the payment of actual attorney fees           
 of the losing party.  If an attorney is representing a plaintiff              
 with a claim against four defendants, there is no way the attorney            
 can accurately predict what the jury awards will be in all four               
 cases.  That almost guarantees the attorney will make an error of             
 judgment which will increase client costs because the client will             
 have received an offer of judgment, the attorney will have guessed            
 wrong about at least one of the four offers of judgment, which will           
 require that party's attorney fees be paid.  In contrast, if an               
 arbitration occurs first, and the client chooses to take the case             
 to trial but does not do better, the extra cost is acceptable.  He            
 did not believe more than 25 percent of arbitrated cases would                
 proceed to trial.  This one amendment would place 90 percent of the           
 litigated tort cases in a cost-effective summary proceeding,                  
 resulting in an estimated 75 percent of the cases settled.  Tort              
 reform should make the procedure more fair, more expeditious, and             
 less expensive for all concerned, rather than cutting the award               
 calculation back until there is very little left for recovery.                
                                                                               
 Number 165                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR noted most mandatory arbitration provisions in other           
 states use a lower limit, such as $50,000.  He asked Mr. Suddock's            
 opinion of the $100,000 amount and whether the arbitration                    
 amendment meshes with the offer of judgment provision in the bill.            
                                                                               
 MR. SUDDOCK replied he might have set the amount at $50,000 because           
 that is the jurisdictional ceiling for the district court.  The               
 State of Washington uses $35,000.  He did believe a limit of                  
 $50,000 would capture more than 50 percent of the cases, however he           
 projected an additional 25 percent of cases would fall under the              
 $100,000 limit.                                                               
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented part of the dramatic increase in the costs           
 of litigation over the past several years is due to the expansion             
 and misuse of the discovery process.  He asked Mr. Suddock if he              
 could recommend any changes to the amendment that would limit or              
 extend the discovery period within the bill to decrease costs.                
                                                                               
 MR. SUDDOCK felt the discovery process should be short.  The Alaska           
 Supreme Court has recently gone to an entirely new concept of civil           
 discovery.  It can be characterized as requiring the plaintiff to             
 show all of one's cards immediately.  It is the ancillary                     
 responsibility of the defendant, without formal discovery request,            
 to do the same.  Therefore, at the outset of the case, all of the             
 relevant material is voluntarily and immediately exchanged.  One              
 deposition is then taken on each side, which rarely takes more than           
 four hours.  If there is an injured party, it is reasonable for the           
 defendant or the insurance carrier to be allotted an opportunity              
 for an independent medical exam.  That process can be easily                  
 completed in 30 days, and will provide approximately 90 percent of            
 the necessary and available information.  The other 10 percent of             
 the information is most likely not worth obtaining, however the               
 arbitrator could be given some discretion to grant extra discovery            
 in individual cases.                                                          
                                                                               
 Number 244                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked what the time line is in the Washington State            
 arbitration system.  MR. SUDDOCK explained there is provision for             
 some attenuated amount of discovery, as described.  From the date             
 the arbitrator is appointed, regulations require a trial occur                
 between three and nine weeks, from the date the case was filed.               
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR observed the amendment requires the court system to            
 appoint the arbitrator and asked what procedure is used in                    
 Washington State.  MR. SUDDOCK reported Washington has a "strike"             
 system.  The court issues a list of five proposed arbitrators from            
 a list of attorneys with some degree of experience in civil                   
 practice.  Each side can peremptorily strike, or reject, two.  In             
 an extreme case, four of the proposed arbitrators could be rejected           
 by the two parties, leaving the fifth person as the arbitrator.  If           
 both parties rejected the same arbitrators, the court would appoint           
 from the remainder.  In draft language Mr. Suddock proposed, a list           
 of arbitrators would be provided, the right of preemptory challenge           
 would be preserved, and the Alaska Supreme Court would figure out             
 the mechanics.                                                                
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented the same procedure is used to disqualify             
 judges once a case has been assigned.  MR. SUDDOCK stated the                 
 procedure could become complicated when multi-party cases are                 
 involved.  SENATOR TAYLOR questioned how successful the Washington            
 State arbitration requirement is.  MR. SUDDOCK indicated it appears           
 to be successful since no one is interested in changing it.                   
                                                                               
 Number 300                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS inquired whether some businesses in the state are               
 waiting for tort reform legislation to pass before processing                 
 claims and making payments.  He discussed a Chugach Electric                  
 Company case in which an electric cable fell off a company truck              
 and hit another driver.  Chugach Electric has paid for car repairs            
 but has only paid a small amount of medical fees, only after the              
 situation was publicized in a newspaper.  MR. SUDDOCK hesitated to            
 speculate on that case, but asserted there are institutional                  
 pressures for a tort feasor to not pay.   Lack of payment places              
 tremendous pressure on the injured party to pay medical costs and             
 other expenses while recovering and often creates credit problems             
 for the injured.  The defendant takes the position that costs will            
 not be paid in a piecemeal fashion.  He believed Chugach Electric             
 would benefit from an arbitration system, because it is far easier            
 for a neutral party to review the situation and determine the award           
 amount.  If the defendant agrees, he/she will save the cost of                
 further attorney fees.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 321                                                                    
 SENATOR ADAMS asked whether there is an insurance crisis in the               
 state, and whether there is a pattern of injured parties receiving            
 excessive awards from the court system.  MR. SUDDOCK replied he               
 sees a consistent pattern of undercompensation of victims in cases            
 in the Superior Court of Anchorage and he is unaware of any cases             
 in which a plaintiff received a windfall.  He believes almost all             
 Superior Court judges would agree that juries are severely                    
 undercompensating plaintiffs.  Regarding an insurance crisis, MR.             
 SUDDOCK stated according to industry publications, insurance                  
 profits are high and coverage is available.                                   
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR informed committee members the committee received a            
 memo, dated February 16, from Ms. Williams of the Attorney                    
 General's Office on the legal issues associated with HB 158.                  
                                                                               
 CHRYSTAL SMITH, representing the Department of Law, offered to                
 convey questions to Ms. Williams.  SENATOR ADAMS asked if the bill            
 is constitutional as written.  MS. SMITH could not answer at this             
 time.                                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 370                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS requested elaboration on the department's position on           
 the statute of repose provision in Section 2.  MS. SMITH stated Ms.           
 Williams' memo indicated although Section 4 was intended to solve             
 the constitutional questions, due process problems may exist if an            
 action is barred before the cause of action accrues.  Ms. Williams            
 also questioned the definition of "substantial completion" that               
 begins the eight year statute of repose.                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS questioned whether the Department of Law plans to               
 specify which statutes will contradict court rules and recommend              
 changes to HB 158.  MS. SMITH replied she would ask Ms. Williams to           
 respond to that request.                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 390                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS referred to page 2 of the memo, regarding actions by            
 minors.  He asked for additional research on what the definition of           
 mental disability encompasses, and whether it is a standard                   
 definition in Alaska statutes.  He questioned whether it includes             
 people born developmentally disabled as well as people with mental            
 illness.  He further asked if the state is required to use the                
 definition of mental disability in the American Disabilities Act.             
 He requested information on whether other states have successfully            
 challenged in court a differentiation among children who are                  
 mentally deficient, and children who are physically deficient, due            
 to a birth problem, in their rights to bring suit when they reach             
 the age of majority if the parents did not bring suit.  MS. SMITH             
 offered to provide the committee with further information.                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR expressed concern about the constitutionality of               
 tolling the statute of limitations for mental incompetence but not            
 for minors, who, by definition, are incompetent.  It appears to be            
 a significant violation of due process and equal protection rights.           
 His concern is directed to children having to bring suit against              
 their parents because the parent failed to bring an action on their           
 behalf within the time constraints established by the statute of              
 repose.  Latent injuries may not appear until a child reaches a               
 certain developmental stage.  He noted the possibility that some              
 injuries might not be discernible for diagnosis within eight years.           
 He discussed the need to have these questions answered before                 
 enacting the bill, to prevent the Supreme Court from having to                
 determine these issues several years from now at great cost.                  
                                                                               
 Number 440                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS asked Ms. Smith if the Department had positions on              
 the four proposed amendments.  MS. SMITH replied the department has           
 not taken a position at this time.                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked Ms. Smith to investigate the effect of the               
 implementation of the mandatory arbitration requirement in the                
 State of Washington.                                                          
                                                                               
 MIKE LESSMEIER, representing State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance           
 Company and State Farm Fire and Casualty Company, testified in                
 response to previous questions raised by committee members.                   
 Regarding whether there would be an incentive for insurance                   
 companies to delay resolution and payment of claims pending passage           
 of tort reform legislation, HB 158 would apply only to causes of              
 action that accrue after the effective date, therefore would not              
 affect cases currently under consideration.  Furthermore, delays              
 are costly, therefore most companies uniformly pay claims as soon             
 as they are owed.  Partial payments are made because in previous              
 cases, when an amount being disputed was paid in advance, it was              
 used against the company even when evidence rules admitted in a               
 court of law were contrary.                                                   
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS stated Chugach Electric did not make advance                    
 payments.  The only time a payment was made was after the story was           
 published in a newspaper.   MR. LESSMEIER emphasized the importance           
 of not making decisions on this legislation based on newspaper                
 articles.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 490                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR agreed that advance payments made by the insured may           
 work against the insured, because that amount of payment might be             
 disclosed at the trial implying some level of liability on the part           
 of the insured.  He asked Mr. Lessmeier his view of how the                   
 collateral source provision within the bill would impact that                 
 argument since that provision allows the insurance company to use             
 the expenses sustained by the injured and his/her family to offset            
 the amount the insurance company is required to pay.  He questioned           
 why it should work differently for the insurer and the injured                
 party.                                                                        
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER felt the issue raised by the collateral benefits                
 provision to be the concept of self-insuring to a certain degree,             
 which is a policy decision.  The issue of admitting collateral                
 benefits was recommended in the only study on excessive claiming he           
 is aware of.  The two issues differ in that advanced payments made            
 by the insurer can be used to determine whether there is fault in             
 the case, or when fault is designated, the amount to be                       
 compensated.  There is a rational basis for allowing the                      
 admissibility of one and not the other, if you make the policy                
 decision that it is better to self insure for a percentage of a               
 loss.  If that policy decision is not made, the evidence should not           
 be entered on either side.  The policy decision is not something              
 State Farm is advocating strongly, it is a different approach.  He            
 stated it may be better to take those kinds of cases out of the               
 litigation system.                                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR questioned how those cases are taken out of the                
 litigation system.  He discussed a scenario in which he responsibly           
 maintains a policy of insurance on his family, or self insures.  If           
 a member of his family is injured due to the negligence of a drunk            
 driver, a State Farm customer, this policy change would allow State           
 Farm to use the payments made by his insurance policy as a credit             
 toward any judgment awarded against State Farm.  He argued why he,            
 as a responsible policyholder, should be held accountable for the             
 negligence and fault of the wrongdoer, and be penalized by a                  
 premium increase because he filed a claim.                                    
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER disagreed with Senator Taylor's premise for the                 
 following reasons.  First, premiums do not increase if a party is             
 not at fault.   Second, society as a whole may be better off if               
 people self insure for a percentage of potential losses.  If the              
 legislature does not agree with that policy, that provision should            
 be removed.  It is not an issue that can be analyzed by reviewing             
 a single case.  All cases and applications that would occur under             
 the collateral benefits provision would have to be reviewed.                  
                                                                               
 Number 551                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR discussed the experience of many people whose rates            
 increased after filing claims for injuries sustained as the result            
 of negligent acts of others.  MR. LESSMEIER stated that is not                
 common practice, and one which State Farm does not engage in.                 
 He reiterated if the legislature does not support the collateral              
 benefits provision, it should be removed from the legislation, as             
 it is not a major part of the legislation from State Farm's point             
 of view.                                                                      
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR repeated he does not believe the victim who was not            
 at fault should have to pay for the negligent party's act.  He                
 discussed the historical basis for subrogation.  On a global basis,           
 large insurance companies who sue each other have to resolve the              
 costs under subrogation.  The provision in HB 158 holds the injured           
 responsible for the collateral sources, does not require the                  
 insurer to admit to paying for any portion of the claim, but                  
 requires the injured's family to admit to paying a portion of the             
 injured's expenses.                                                           
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER emphasized the advantage of the collateral sources              
 provision, where subrogation does not occur, is that less time and            
 money is spent arguing about who was at fault.  Each party bears              
 its own loss.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 581                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked how the collateral benefit provision would be            
 advantageous to an injured party who was not at fault.  MR.                   
 LESSMEIER indicated to the extent the insurance companies are                 
 better able to control costs, clients would benefit.                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asserted if this provision was adopted, and                    
 insurance companies reduced their costs, then Senator Adams'                  
 amendment requiring a rate rollback would pose no problem.                    
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER replied the specific law enacted, and the motivations           
 behind the industry's claims-making practices in Alaska, will                 
 affect the industry's loss experience.  State Farm's premiums are             
 based on its loss experience in Alaska.  To the extent the loss               
 experience can be improved, the money will ultimately be                      
 redistributed to Alaskans, or it will not be paid to State Farm               
 initially.  State Farm is a mutual company with respect to                    
 automobile insurance, and has voluntarily returned money to                   
 Alaskans when its experience was better than projected.                       
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR commented the insurance commissioner frequently                
 orders insurance companies to rollback money from companies that              
 overcharge.  He commended State Farm for providing the rollbacks              
 voluntarily.                                                                  
                                                                               
 TAPE 96-10, Side 2                                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR reiterated his belief that the collateral benefits             
 provision penalizes the insured party who is not at fault, because            
 the no-fault philosophy would relinquish responsibility of the at-            
 fault party.                                                                  
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER explained the collateral benefits provision applies             
 to medical expenses only, and not to the remainder of damages that            
 could be caused by a drunk driver.  In such an example, a claim               
 would be made, and payments would be made, including, most likely,            
 punitive damages.  All of those things would have to be taken into            
 consideration and defended.  The collateral benefits provision is             
 narrowly confined to medical costs only, and the philosophy behind            
 it is that creating a no-fault approach would benefit everyone.               
                                                                               
 Number 580                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER addressed the memorandum from the Department of Law.            
 The only case in Alaska that addresses the statute of repose is the           
 Turner Construction Company Case.  The Supreme Court found the                
 purpose of the statute of repose, which is to encourage                       
 construction and avoid stale claims by shielding certain defendants           
 from potential future liability, to be a legitimate government                
 purpose.  The Supreme Court found the classes created as a result             
 of the statute of repose were not suspect.  It found the statute of           
 repose to be unconstitutional because it creates separate classes             
 of people: the potential liability of one class would increase as             
 a result of the distinction made by that statute.  He suggested if            
 there is a constitutional problem with the statute of repose in               
 general, the court would not have bothered to analyze the Turner              
 case.  By last count, 29 states have statutes of repose, most of              
 them for a similar duration.  He emphasized the statute of repose             
 in HB 158 does not suffer from the problem set forth in the Turner            
 decision.                                                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR ADAMS asked Mr. Lessmeier if he could offer any suggestions           
 in case the statute of repose is found unconstitutional.  MR.                 
 LESSMEIER repeated he thinks this statute of repose is                        
 constitutional because it applies across the board, except for                
 classes of claims that were removed in the House after extensive              
 debate, such as product liability and environmental claims.  He               
 believed this statute of repose to be as fair as possible.  He                
 cautioned that the Supreme Court has reversed at least 50 percent             
 of the cases they review, therefore it is difficult to predict the            
 outcome of an appeal.                                                         
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER discussed Ms. Williams' opinion that Sections 8 and             
 9 might violate rules of court.  He was unsure what rules of court            
 Ms. Williams' was referring to because no rules of court deal with            
 periodic payments.  Rules of court have been adopted by the Supreme           
 Court after legislation has been enacted, to implement the                    
 substantive rule of law enacted by the legislature.  An example is            
 a rule of court on medical advisory panels in medical malpractice             
 cases.  The rule of court was designed to implement the substantive           
 law passed by the legislature.  Another example is Court Rule 68,             
 which existed before the legislature addressed the subject of                 
 offers of judgment.  Ten years ago the legislature chose to include           
 in that provision a prejudgment interest penalty.  That was then              
 set forth in Court Rule 68.  The court reviews the substantive law            
 enacted by the legislature, and incorporates those changes in                 
 existing rules or in new rules.  The issue is whether legislative             
 changes are substantive versus procedural.  Sections 8 and 9 deal             
 with minor, noncontroversial changes to the periodic payment                  
 provision so it is unlikely those changes would change a rule of              
 court.  Section 17, regarding medical expert witnesses, deals with            
 a procedural rule of court.   He did not believe the court has ever           
 determined that an evidence provision adopted by the legislature              
 would be constitutionally prohibited.  He felt the only concern               
 about rules of court is in relation to the offer of judgment                  
 provision.  He personally believed it is the legislature's                    
 prerogative to have an offer of judgment provision.                           
                                                                               
 Number 484                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked Mr. Lessmeier to address Mr. Suddock's                   
 concerns about the scenario in which a plaintiff is suing four                
 defendants when the plaintiff does not know who caused what percent           
 of the $100,000 damages.  One of the four plaintiffs offers to                
 settle in an offer of judgment of $20,000.  How would the attorney            
 advise the plaintiff, and by what information does the plaintiff              
 discern whether that 20 percent is the appropriate amount of                  
 liability a jury will find after trial.                                       
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER stated he would advise his client to investigate the            
 claim thoroughly, to understand the facts, and to make an                     
 assessment of that fault based on professional judgment and                   
 experience.  It is not a precise science, but judgments as to                 
 potential liability are made in every single case.                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR noted the offer of judgment is limited to ten days.            
 MR. LESSMEIER commented claims are investigated before they are               
 filed with the court.  There is a two year period of time in which            
 to investigate a claim before it has to be filed.  There is an                
 additional period of time to do discovery.  If a plaintiff did not            
 have an adequate opportunity to respond to an offer of judgment of            
 $20,000, and two months after the offer of judgment expires the               
 plaintiff learns new facts, there is nothing to prevent the                   
 plaintiff from entering an offer of judgment for the same amount.             
 The amount of exposure would be only for the period of time until             
 the new information was received, entered the offer of judgment,              
 waited for the defendant to accept or reject the offer.                       
                                                                               
 Number 447                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR felt the problem is that from the time the offer of            
 judgment arrives, the client must make a decision within ten days.            
 If the offer of judgment of $20,000 is rejected, and the jury finds           
 the defendant liable for $10,000 during the trial, who will pay the           
 defendant's attorney's fees.  MR. LESSMEIER verified under HB 158             
 the plaintiff would have to reimburse the defendant's actual                  
 attorney's fees.  He explained the provision works both ways: if              
 the plaintiff had entered an offer of judgment of $10,000 and did             
 better after the trial, the plaintiff would be entitled to collect            
 actual attorney's fees and costs.  The idea is to provide an                  
 incentive that applies equally to both sides to evaluate offers to            
 take reasonable positions.                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR stated he does support the idea, but cannot answer             
 Mr. Suddock's question because the playing field is not level.  The           
 plaintiff must decide within ten days of receiving four offers of             
 judgment, what amount the jury will decide each defendant is liable           
 for.  If the plaintiff guesses incorrectly, he/she will pay the               
 full attorney's fees for any incorrect guess.  The same burden is             
 not being placed on the other side.                                           
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER disagreed because although the offer of judgment must           
 be rejected or accepted within ten days, the plaintiff also has a             
 period of time before filing suit, to investigate the claim.  The             
 plaintiff also has the ability to offer his/her own offer of                  
 judgment to make the penalty provisions apply to the party being              
 sued.  In addition, if the plaintiff learns new facts after                   
 rejecting the offer of judgment, he/she is not prevented from                 
 making an offer of judgment.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 402                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR stated the unlevel playing field is caused by the              
 major economic differences between the two parties, especially if             
 a plaintiff is suing a company like Prudential.  The larger company           
 can afford to bluff, and go through the trial process.  If the                
 plaintiff guesses wrong, and has to pay attorney fees, he/she will            
 probably lose half of the judgment on those costs alone.  SENATOR             
 TAYLOR stated it is important to create a loser-pay situation that            
 works effectively to slow down litigation, and is equitable to both           
 sides.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 381                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked Mr. Lessmeier what State Farm's position is on           
 the mandatory arbitration amendment.  MR. LESSMEIER responded State           
 Farm's primary concern is the arbitration provision is potentially            
 complicated, but is willing to work with the committee to create an           
 arbitration provision that will work at any level.  He asked the              
 committee not to make mandatory arbitration part of the bill as it            
 will delay the movement of HB 158 or kill the bill after many hours           
 have been put into it.  He explained State Farm's concern with the            
 proposed arbitration amendment.  State Farm's experience is very              
 different from Mr. Suddock's because almost all cases involve                 
 plaintiffs who request in excess of $100,000, even for soft tissue            
 injuries.   He referred to a pretrial memorandum of a case tried in           
 Ketchikan two weeks ago.   State Farm had valued this particular              
 case at $7,500 but the claims presented amounted to $292,000.  The            
 judgment was $0.  The cases tried in Juneau in the past three or              
 four years have been similar.  One case went to the Supreme Court:            
 State Farm evaluated the case at $35,000, the plaintiff evaluated             
 the case at $900,000.  The award was $35,500.  He has never been on           
 a case that would fall within the mandatory arbitration provision             
 because the request for damages is always greater, therefore he               
 does not believe this provision would apply to very many cases.  At           
 present, cases within the $50,000 range can be heard in District              
 Court, without the cost of an arbitrator.  State Farm's second                
 concern about arbitration is that it can be much more expensive               
 than simple litigation because if the cost of the arbitrator is               
 split against the parties, both sides have to hire the equivalent             
 of one and one-half attorneys.  Often, three arbitrators hear a               
 case.  State Farm is also concerned that as drafted, the amendment            
 provides no incentive for one side to take a meaningful position              
 before going to the expense of arbitration.  It contains no                   
 prevailing party provision and Rule 82 does not apply to                      
 arbitration proceedings according to the Uniform Arbitration Act.             
 He discussed an arbitration he was involved in to collect money.              
 Much of the case was not contested, and State Farm won.  Because              
 there was no Rule 82 provision, no attorney fees could be                     
 reimbursed.  State Farm believes there needs to be incentives in              
 the system to encourage people to take reasonable positions.  The             
 last concern State Farm has with the mandatory arbitration                    
 amendment is with admissibility of the arbitrator's decision when             
 the case goes to trial.  There are no rules of evidence to allow              
 that to occur.  In the medical malpractice arena, the report of the           
 medical advisory panel can be admitted in court.  State Farm favors           
 alternative dispute resolution that is quick as it benefits all               
 parties.                                                                      
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER noted State Farm is concerned about the empty chair             
 amendment because the voters were told the effect of the 1988                 
 initiative was that no party would be held responsible for more               
 than his or her percentage of fault.  The initiative passed by over           
 70 percent.  This amendment would shift fault back and increases              
 the allocation beyond what a person caused, which is contrary to              
 what the voters wanted.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 291                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR stated the amendment would allow, if the bill passed           
 in its current form, an empty chair to shift the blame to.  MR.               
 LESSMEIER clarified that he believes the committee should implement           
 the intent of the voters which is that no party should be held                
 responsible for more than their percentage of fault.  SENATOR                 
 TAYLOR asked who would pay for the portion that goes unrecompensed.           
 MR. LESSMEIER replied it is similar to any situation where a claim            
 is barred by a statute of limitations or a statute of repose.  If             
 a claim is not filed within a certain time period, it is the policy           
 of this body to dismiss the claim.                                            
                                                                               
 MR. LESSMEIER addressed the rate rollback amendment.  State Farm              
 sets rates in Alaska by the frequency and severity of loss.  Tort             
 reform will affect the severity of loss, but not the frequency of             
 loss.  State Farm believes it will have a positive effect on                  
 severity, but cannot be sure.  In looking at California's                     
 experience with respect to MICRA, the state litigated every                   
 provision in MICRA over a ten year period.  They did not know how             
 the provisions would be interpreted and applied for years.  State             
 Farm has had that experience in Alaska with the several liability             
 initiative:  it took five years to get a decision on that                     
 initiative from the Supreme Court, and that decision was contrary             
 to what the voters voted on.  The legislature cannot guarantee this           
 bill will become law even if it is passed, because it will be                 
 challenged.  Second, the director of the Division of Insurance is             
 responsible for ensuring fair and reasonable insurance rates.                 
 Additionally, in some markets in the insurance industry, there is             
 good competition.  Finally, State Farm is a mutual company, and to            
 the extent it does better, it will give the money back.                       
                                                                               
 Number 242                                                                    
                                                                               
 DAVID JOHNSON, representing the Alaska State Medical Association,             
 offered to answer committee questions.  SENATOR TAYLOR discussed a            
 situation in which a 14 year old child is in his third cycle of               
 problems with mental illness.  Each cycle becomes worse and lasts             
 around three years.  The physicians currently involved indicate the           
 problem was caused at birth as the result of the use of forceps.              
 The full impact of the injury will not be known until he reaches              
 his late teens.  The problem is severe, and the family has reached            
 its coverage limit and is facing an additional $30,000 in bills for           
 one month.  He asked Dr. Johnson what the impact of the statute of            
 repose as contemplated in HB 158 would be upon that family, if the            
 bill passes.                                                                  
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON stated under the statute of repose, the cause for                 
 action must be known at age eight years or after two years,                   
 whichever comes last.  Therefore if the child's first episode was             
 at age five, the operative amount of time would be age eight.                 
 SENATOR TAYLOR explained although the episodes occurred at age five           
 and age ten, the causative factor was not determined until                    
 recently, after brain mapping and other procedures were used.  DR.            
 JOHNSON responded that without knowing the details of the case,               
 there are two sides of opinions.  If the diagnosis is so                      
 complicated as to take 15 years to sort out, but first appeared at            
 age five, that is the issue that would be litigated.  SENATOR                 
 TAYLOR stated the diagnosis has been a process of tracking back and           
 finding that earlier symptoms are related, and develop a pattern,             
 and more clearly indicate the original cause.                                 
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR discussed the Jackson v. Powers case and Senator               
 Ellis' amendment which would allow a hospital to be granted                   
 immunity for granting privileges to contracting doctors only if               
 those contracting doctors carry a specified amount of liability               
 coverage.                                                                     
                                                                               
 SENATOR MILLER announced he and Senator Adams were leaving to                 
 attend a free conference committee meeting on SB 123.                         
 Number 161                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR GREEN asked if the clock starts with the diagnosis in the             
 case Senator Taylor referred to.  SENATOR TAYLOR responded it would           
 not if HB 158 passes.  SENATOR GREEN believed the most recent                 
 diagnosis would trigger the statute of repose.  SENATOR TAYLOR                
 explained under HB 158, eight years is the statute of limitations,            
 or two years beyond the point of discovery if within the eight                
 years.  SENATOR GREEN asked for clarification of when the clock               
 would start.                                                                  
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON responded the tragedy of birth injuries is one of the             
 most emotional aspects of apportioning responsibility.  As                    
 physicians are taking a more aggressive approach toward operative             
 deliveries in an effort to prevent injuries during labor, they are            
 discovering the majority of abnormal labors are caused by abnormal            
 pregnancies.  The stress of labor is the first evidence that a                
 problem with the pregnancy exists.  Even though the cesarean                  
 section rate has increased substantially, the incidents of cerebral           
 palsy, for example, are not significantly decreasing because the              
 vast majority of those problems are not caused by traumatic birth.            
 While birth is a hazardous process, it is safer now than ever.                
 Diagnoses based on new data and evidence that point to occurrences            
 years ago is often speculative.  Such a case would be reportable as           
 a journal article because it would be blazing new territory.  In              
 such a case there would clearly be a variety of opinions, and                 
 obviously other physicians have had different opinions over the               
 last 15 years.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 102                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR stated in this particular case, it has taken 15                
 years for a pattern to develop.  He felt this is an example of a              
 situation that would not fall under Section 2 because there is no             
 presence of an undisclosed foreign body, nor were facts                       
 intentionally concealed, nor was the last act alleged to have                 
 caused the injury within eight years.  He believed the statute of             
 repose would not cover a child whose injury was not discovered                
 until age ten, if that injury was the result of a birth                       
 complication.  Because the parents did not bring the suit on behalf           
 of the child, even though they were unaware of the cause, they                
 could not bring a suit when the cause was discovered.                         
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON believed that to be an extremely extraordinary case.              
 SENATOR TAYLOR agreed, and noted it is rare for a suit to be filed            
 after eight years.  He expressed concern however, that passage of             
 HB 158 would prevent a suit from being filed in such a case.                  
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON addressed Senator Ellis' amendment.  He repeated that             
 the matter is a public policy call by the legislature.  Requiring             
 $5 million in coverage would be unaffordable for most physicians if           
 it were available.  SENATOR TAYLOR asked what amounts doctors                 
 routinely carry.  DR. JOHNSON replied there is no routine amount.             
 He reviewed NORCAL's policy limits and associated rates.  He was              
 unaware of whether such policies were available to other health               
 care providers listed in the bill.                                            
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR asked what level the hospitals carry because both              
 the hospital and independent contractor will be held liable under             
 Jackson v. Powers under existing law.  Placing the burden on the              
 independent contractor will eliminate the risk from the hospital.             
 DR. JOHNSON was not aware of the amount of coverage hospitals                 
 carry, and reiterated the issue is a public policy call.  SENATOR             
 TAYLOR explained the legislature is trying to make that public                
 policy call with no information on the subject.                               
                                                                               
 TAPE 96-11, Side One                                                          
                                                                               
 SENATOR ELLIS stated the Hospital Association has taken a position            
 on the amendment and offered to provide the information to the                
 committee.                                                                    
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON addressed the mandatory arbitration amendment.  He                
 believed the issue deserves serious consideration separate from HB
 158.  He stated it breaks new ground, but needs to be reviewed                
 independent of HB 158.  SENATOR TAYLOR responded he is                        
 contemplating that approach, however tort reform supporters are               
 requesting systemic reform.  He did not believe the amendment does            
 disservice to the bill, and might gain more support for the bill.             
 He agreed that if it appears HB 158 will not be enacted, he intends           
 to submit the amendment as separate legislation.                              
                                                                               
 Number 074                                                                    
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON commented that this hearing is the seventh on tort                
 reform, therefore to introduce new legislation at this point                  
 without giving previous witnesses the chance to address it seems              
 inappropriate.  He repeated the Alaska State Medical Association              
 supports mandatory arbitration and would like to see it introduced            
 as a new bill.                                                                
                                                                               
 Regarding the rate rollback amendment, DR. JOHNSON made the analogy           
 of requiring the Permanent Fund Corporation to invest only in                 
 stocks that were going to go up.  The amendment is antithetical               
 because of the enactment trigger.  SENATOR TAYLOR stated the final            
 draft of that amendment will not have that double triggering                  
 effect.  He likened the amendment to the statute of repose in that            
 a gym ceiling could collapse nine years after it was built, but no            
 injured party could bring suit because the statute of repose has              
 expired.  SENATOR GREEN suggested a suit could be brought for gross           
 negligence.  SENATOR TAYLOR disagreed.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 126                                                                    
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON discussed the problem with court rules.  The fact there           
 is a mechanism by which the legislature can, through a                        
 supermajority, directly make rules for the court, in no way means             
 that the legislature cannot make laws that will have to be                    
 considered by the Supreme Court in making rules for the courts.               
 It is the Supreme Court's responsibility to look at the                       
 Constitution, and statutes as passed by the legislature, and modify           
 the court rules accordingly.  SENATOR TAYLOR agreed but noted the             
 subtle distinction is in a mandated rule change versus a                      
 substantive law.                                                              
                                                                               
 DR. JOHNSON commented on Section 17.  The purpose of this section             
 was to address the issue of junk science.  Current laws on medical            
 liability responsibility contain penalties for both frivolous                 
 prosecution of claims, and for frivolous defense.  The purpose of             
 this section is to establish basic qualifications for medical                 
 expert witnesses.  This section would require a witness testifying            
 to be a licensed physician.  He offered to provide the committee              
 with a simplified amendment to clarify the section.  He reiterated            
 the purpose is to establish the medical standard of care, but was             
 misinterpreted by the Attorney General's Office.                              
                                                                               
 PAM LABOLLE, representing the Alaska State Chamber of Commerce,               
 informed committee members she is in the process of polling                   
 members, as requested by the committee.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 203                                                                    
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR stated this issue is bigger than HB 158.  The                  
 legislature needs to review the public perception that there are              
 outrageous and unfair damage awards.  Mr. Suddock's testimony was             
 to the contrary.  If, in fact, outrageous and unfair decisions are            
 being handed down in Alaska's court system, the legislative                   
 Judiciary Committees are the appropriate bodies to review those               
 claims.                                                                       
                                                                               
 PAM LABOLLE clarified she did not use the words "outrageous" and              
 "unfair" in her letter to the committee.  She specified her letter            
 stated, "More and more frequently, stories are brought forth from             
 around the country of frivolous lawsuits and outrageous awards for            
 damages." SENATOR TAYLOR stated if that statement is true, he wants           
 information on those types of cases in Alaska.  MS. LABOLLE                   
 believed HB 158 does address items that bring about some of the               
 frivolous and outrageous lawsuits and settlements, and is a                   
 starting point to remedy the problem.                                         
                                                                               
 SENATOR TAYLOR reemphasized he would be interested to see any back-           
 up information on such cases in Alaska because if they exist, the             
 legislature will do more than pass HB 158.  He stated if people are           
 being led to believe such cases are the norm from anecdotal stories           
 around the country, then the public needs to be informed of what is           
 really happening.  Such a message conveys to people that we have a            
 corrupt, imbalanced system.  If that is true, it is imperative that           
 such cases in Alaska are reviewed.  He adjourned the meeting at               
 3:30 p.m.                                                                     
                                                                               

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